tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post500880002266531197..comments2023-10-28T08:31:25.462-04:00Comments on Subway Squawkers - A Yankees-Mets Rivalry Blog: Joe Torre needs to knock off the Mr. Magoo act about steroidsSubway Squawkershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04156896665605326549noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-72313579454788517972009-07-08T09:42:00.472-04:002009-07-08T09:42:00.472-04:00But Ryan, LaRussa has gotten grief for defending M...But Ryan, LaRussa has gotten grief for defending McGwire, while Torre gets a free pass for looking the other way on steroids for over a decade. It's a huge double standard.<br /><br />- LisaSubway Squawkershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156896665605326549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-5156415744997438642009-07-07T23:55:15.245-04:002009-07-07T23:55:15.245-04:00Do we blame Tony Larussa in Oakland or Billy Beane...Do we blame Tony Larussa in Oakland or Billy Beane? For all I know "Moneyball" is a book about getting cheap players then loading them up on steroids right?Ryan Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15286611981184767134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-32190735498761190192009-07-07T18:34:01.874-04:002009-07-07T18:34:01.874-04:00I find it amusing that if you acknowledge the doub...I find it amusing that if you acknowledge the double standard in the PED users Andy and Alex, Yankee fans want to say you're throwing Andy under the bus.<br /><br />But I bet none of them have a problem with Torre doing the same thing. He's simply stating the truth I guess. <br /><br />Yankees haven't won because of Alex is ignorant talk by people who can't put aside biases long enough to have a legitimate discussion.<br /><br />But you know the Dynasty Teams* won on grit, gut and hugs. Pitching has nothing to do with it. <br /><br />2003 Yankee staff ERA was like 3.4 or something like that. 2004 it was 4.69. Thats obviously Alex's fault. And Sheffield, Matsui, Jason and every other non-pitching free agent or big bat that has come after 2000.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-60952223086696549172009-07-07T18:23:33.195-04:002009-07-07T18:23:33.195-04:00Uncle Mike, A-Rod may be a flawed individual, and ...Uncle Mike, A-Rod may be a flawed individual, and a juicer, but you can't blame him for the Yanks not winning it all since 2000. And the Yanks wouldn't have made the playoffs in 2005 or 2007 if he didn't have MVP seasons.<br /><br />As for Torre, we've heard about how owners turned a blind eye to the steroid era. Well, Torre did too. It's simply completely implausible for that many guys to be taking steroids on his teams and him know nothing about it.<br /><br />And as for Ted Williams, even this Yankee fan is willing to concede that he got robbed several times for the MVP award. And it had nothing to do with the standings, but a lot to do with writers not liking him. <br /> <br />- LisaSubway Squawkershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156896665605326549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-884344711405884152009-07-07T14:35:09.106-04:002009-07-07T14:35:09.106-04:00And I thought Met fans were stuck in the 1980s. L...And I thought Met fans were stuck in the 1980s. Lisa, would you like to go back to those days? With Don Mattingly as The Guy, and all those shortfalls, all those managerial changes, the Boss going nuts with no one having the guts to say he's gone too far, and the Yankees being the Number 2 team in New York in front of 18,000 fans a night?<br /><br />No thank you. I'll take 6 Pennants and 4 World Championships. I'll take having Derek Jeter, the best shortstop most of us will ever see (including you, Oriole fans). I'll even take having Roger Clemens, if it means having the moral high ground over a team that has had Pedro Martinez but never faced the music about steroids.<br /><br />What I will not take is a ballplayer with a massive ego but not the team results to back it up. We tried that in the 1980s with Rickey Henderson. The irony being that Rickey won a World Series with Oakland and another with Toronto, after leaving the Yankees -- and do we really know he wasn't 'roided up?<br /><br />I could tolerate the Torre-bashing and the Jeter-bashing, if it wasn't for the A-Rod lovefest. But let's compare: What has A-Rod done for the Yankees?<br /><br />Do you think we talk about how DiMaggio, Berra and Mantle each won 3 MVPs? No, we talk about how, respectively, they won 9, 10 and 7 World Series! There's a reason why Ted Williams didn't get the MVP in '41: He finished 6th, and if the Yanks had finished even 2nd, DiMaggio's hitting streak would be an interesting footnote, like Pete Rose's in '78.<br /><br />If the Yankees win it all while A-Rod is here, I'll acknowledge it, the way I have to acknowledge that Kobe Bryant, whom we now know to be a truly low form of life, has won an NBA Championship without Shaquille O'Neal. (Now let's see either one of them without without gifts from the refs.) Until then, he's a pile of stats and an embarrassment on and off the field. He's A-Roid and he's Slappy -- not a champion.<br /><br />I can see that, and no one's ever called me Mr. Magoo.Uncle Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11618876073064128027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-23800187850837794712009-07-07T13:42:50.577-04:002009-07-07T13:42:50.577-04:00Lisa is on a tear today! Too funny (and I agree o...Lisa is on a tear today! Too funny (and I agree on all counts) St. Joe and Jeter mythology.<br /><br />JeanneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-88802059528517333562009-07-07T12:09:42.070-04:002009-07-07T12:09:42.070-04:00Mr. Magoo.
Spot on.
LOL!!!!Mr. Magoo.<br /><br />Spot on. <br /><br />LOL!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-59293377250740542212009-07-07T11:28:20.272-04:002009-07-07T11:28:20.272-04:00Lisa ...
You really can't let go ...lol.
P...Lisa ...<br /><br />You really can't let go ...lol. <br /><br />Peggy <br /><br />Go Yankees 2009 !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8624254435992330014.post-57020243919041100762009-07-07T11:21:05.713-04:002009-07-07T11:21:05.713-04:00I love the Mr. Magoo reference, Lisa. So true.I love the Mr. Magoo reference, Lisa. So true.Jason @ IIATMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11675184282951841175noreply@blogger.com